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Post by stevedtrm on Apr 27, 2016 15:16:03 GMT
I beleive that honor has its roots in honesty.
Honesty isnt always a good thing. Telling someone something that will endanger you or threaten your interests by them knowing it is foolish and negative, but more honest that not doing so.
honor is, for me, therefore, the same thing as transparency. Terminating or permitting the termination of misunderstandings where they ccur in a person.
Obviously this is a scalar thing, the more you actively or passively terminate misunderstandings and the more you do it even when it is against your interests to do , the more honest and honorable you are.
Integrity, on the other hand, is more about correctness, completeness and strength. Ive opened a disambiguation thread to to spell out the difference.
Steven.
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Post by Tundra on Apr 27, 2016 23:30:21 GMT
This is really overlapping with the integrity disambiguation thread.
I explained the difference between honor and honesty. Honor is more to do with prestige and calculations of outer perception and honesty is more about fairplay.
I am curious how much transparency you think is sustainable? The world has always been built on deception. Culture itself is the motor of that. How do you think this will suddenly be revolutionised?! Now when people have been zombified?...
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Post by stevedtrm on Apr 28, 2016 7:07:09 GMT
Well, i'd prefer, since the word sounds sufficiently similar and has a sufficiently similar meaning, (remember Nutrisse?) to use "reputation" or "prestige" when referring to outer perception, so that nothing threatens the clarity of what we mean by honor and honesty, which both have holier than thou overtone to them, and as such should be trated as the "fairplay" interpretation and not the reputational image interpretations.
The honor definition from google:-
honour
ˈɒnə/
noun
noun: honor
1.
high respect; great esteem.
"his portrait hangs in the place of honour"
synonyms: distinction, privilege, glory, tribute, kudos, cachet, prestige, fame, renown, merit, credit, importance, illustriousness, notability; More
respect, esteem, approbation
"he earned the honour of having the archive named after him"
antonyms: disgrace
a person or thing that brings esteem.
"you are an honour to our profession"
a title of respect or form of address given to a circuit judge, a US mayor, and (in Irish or rustic speech) any person of rank.
noun: His Honour; noun: His Honor; noun: Her Honour; noun: Her Honor; noun: Your Honour; noun: Your Honor
2.
the quality of knowing and doing what is morally right.
See point 2? any objection to my reasoning?
Steven.
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Post by stevedtrm on Apr 28, 2016 7:08:09 GMT
The sustainability and limits of transparency seems to me to make an awesome seperate thread.
Steven.
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Post by Tundra on Apr 29, 2016 9:36:36 GMT
2. the quality of knowing and doing what is morally right. See point 2? any objection to my reasoning? Yes. I object. Morals is a shady concept. don't approve. |
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Post by stevedtrm on Apr 29, 2016 13:58:58 GMT
People already currently include this shady concept in their idea of honor. And as such the "fairplay" (which people geenrally understand by "moral", whatever that means) should be included in the definition of honor and when you want to talk about prestige or reputation outside of these "fairplay" and "moral" notions, use "reputation" and "prestige" instead to make it clear you dont mean "moral" or "fairplay".
Remember, this is a disambiguation thread for "honor" and "honesty". If you want a seperate one for "moral", thats fine.
Make one and suggest a definition.
Steven.
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