Post by stevedtrm on Jan 11, 2017 14:13:45 GMT
1) Welcome to everyone and apologies
2) Minutes emailed to members were an accurate record of the events of the previous meeting.
3) BB4JC election of all officers.:-
i) Chair
ii) Secretary
iii) Membership Secretary
iv) Twitter social media officer
v) Facebook social media officer
vi) Campaigns coordinator
Statements delivered to the chair by replying to the emailed notification of the meeting agenda no later than the end of 12th January from any member wishing to stand for a position will be circulated to the entire group by email on 13th January. paper statements can be delivered manually for electronic transmission by arrangement.
Candidates can propose themselves for any position, but will require a nominating member and a seconding member present at the meeting in order to stand for any positions.
4) the People's Assembly have called a national NHS demo in March. BB4JC will discuss and identify ways we can support this and fund train tickets including a discussion of Bev's proposal for arranging a fundraiser for the NHS demo.
5) Discussion of Jade's suggestion that we have a creative session making a banner which we can march under
6) Discussion on potential partipation in and support forthe civil march to Aleppo. civilmarch.org/here-you-can-join-our-route/
7) Discussion of all trips listed at BB4JC trips list
8) Motions. See appendix A. NOTE:- the listing of motions does not imply that any individual or BB4JC endorses them until passed by a resolution of a meeting, recorded in minutes accepted as a valid record of the previous meeting.
9) Close of meeting
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Appendix A: MOTIONS
A) BB4JC structural Motions:-
1a) meetings shall discuss motions for 1.5, 2, 2.5 or 3 hours as voted upon by attendees. Any remaining outstanding motions discussed at a subsequent meeting held as soon as the new chair or secretary can arrange a venue for it and announce it to BB4JC members.
or
1b) There should always be a 2 hour limit to meetings, even if members in attendance do not wish that to be the case.
2) If there are more than 8 motions proposed at any one meeting, the Chair shall arrange motions into related groups. Meetings shall vote as a group which group of motions shall be discussed first.
3) Motions can not be voted upon if less than 5 members are present.
4) "to elect Jeremy Corbyn as Prime Minister and to transform Labour" will be adopted as the subtitle of BB4JC until a better subtitle is agreed.
5) Specialised BB4JC subgroups should be identified and formed so people can pick which kinds of BB4JC meeting they attend.
6) The current watsapp group should be a summary group where meeting information messages are posted to help people avoid high numbers of notifications. Links to more Detailed information will be welcome when that information is posted elsewhere eg loomio, facebook or the BB4JC public forum.
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B) BB4JC approach to Labour motions.
1) parliament with jeremy simply as an isolated prime minister unable to deliver significant reforms due to pro war and pro austerity opposition from his own party is an insufficient improvement to dire British politics. A significantly improved parliament able to support Jeremys agenda is therefore necessary.
2) Additional labour MPs that the Labour party will need to win at the general election can not be pro war or tacitly pro austerity as antihumanitarian candidates will be broadly detected and opposed by the electorate and demotivate Labour members as they did in the 2010 election and more recently when Labour was effectively expelled from Scotland.
3) Since the NEC has for many years now been selecting pro war and tacitly pro austerity candidates which will alienate people, transforming the labour party is not just a seperate task to getting Jeremy elected but is a necessary part of it. This transformation is especially important and urgent during a period more than 1 year before a general election when substantial change is still possible without affecing an election campaign.
4) Public youtube videos demonstrating rule violations during during Tuesday morning Labour conference processes leading to constitutional changes in labour and the recent rule changes to add unappointed voting members to the supreme NEC clearly show that the labour party is not currently a democratically accountable party. BB4JC is outraged by the effective hijacking of the NEC by acts which violate the rules of the party by the conference chair. We call for urgent action to rectify this elimination of democracy in the party.
5) BB4JC will urgently identify potentially effective strategies for transforming the labour party including making reasonable efforts to contact all NEC members individually for off the record suggestions for responses on how to counter to the hijacking of the NEC. BB4JC will list, prioritised and actuate or materially support them.
6) BB4JC decries any party whose ruling committees are both not entirely elected and whose administrative and political decisions and selections have the effect of undemocratically undermining their elected leader. This is especially important if Labour's antidemocratic processes are used to undermine local democracy to ensure unpopular antiCorbyn MPs or parliamentary candidates maintain their positions despite the opposition of local members and constituents.
7) BB4JC cannot support any party which in the 12 months before a general election attempts to perpetrate any perversion of process or democracy or exclude party members from shortlists to be voted on during the candidate selection processes.
8) BB4JC supports an NEC entirely elected by an one member one vote ballot where a member is defined so as to include union affiliates.
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C) BB4JC approach to momentum motions
1) BB4JC will not become a momentum branch in the next year even if the opportunity is available to it.
2) BB4JC notes with alarm that at this late stage there is no meeting scheduled by momentum Salford to elect delegates to momentum national conference.
3) BB4JC warmly welcomes Manchester and Trafford momentum's initial attempts at full democratic debates and transparent democratic functionality with specific thanks to both previous and current officers.
4) BB4JC praises both online and offline attempts to constuctively debate the progressive democratic accountability structures of momentum.
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D) BB4JC ON THE NHS CRISIS
1) BB4JC is outraged and distraught at the current obvious and greivous underfunding and attempts to demolish the NHS by the Tories. No A&E department should have to close its doors even once. Twice is egregious. Forty or more times in a month is correctly described as a humanitarian disaster in Britain.
2) BB4JC is outraged and distraught at the current obvious distress in the NHS. We beleive that this is due to underfunding and attempts to demolish the NHS not only by Tories but also as a result of previous PFI initiatives under Blair supported by the majority of Labour MPs and approved by a multiple proposal bundling motion at conference similar to the ones used at conference 2016.
3) To address the attack on the health of the population of this country BB4JC beleives that people should go beyond protest and discussions into direct action including mass civil disobedience against the controlling industries, financial and political powers and processes of the country.
2) Minutes emailed to members were an accurate record of the events of the previous meeting.
3) BB4JC election of all officers.:-
i) Chair
ii) Secretary
iii) Membership Secretary
iv) Twitter social media officer
v) Facebook social media officer
vi) Campaigns coordinator
Statements delivered to the chair by replying to the emailed notification of the meeting agenda no later than the end of 12th January from any member wishing to stand for a position will be circulated to the entire group by email on 13th January. paper statements can be delivered manually for electronic transmission by arrangement.
Candidates can propose themselves for any position, but will require a nominating member and a seconding member present at the meeting in order to stand for any positions.
4) the People's Assembly have called a national NHS demo in March. BB4JC will discuss and identify ways we can support this and fund train tickets including a discussion of Bev's proposal for arranging a fundraiser for the NHS demo.
5) Discussion of Jade's suggestion that we have a creative session making a banner which we can march under
6) Discussion on potential partipation in and support forthe civil march to Aleppo. civilmarch.org/here-you-can-join-our-route/
7) Discussion of all trips listed at BB4JC trips list
8) Motions. See appendix A. NOTE:- the listing of motions does not imply that any individual or BB4JC endorses them until passed by a resolution of a meeting, recorded in minutes accepted as a valid record of the previous meeting.
9) Close of meeting
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Appendix A: MOTIONS
A) BB4JC structural Motions:-
1a) meetings shall discuss motions for 1.5, 2, 2.5 or 3 hours as voted upon by attendees. Any remaining outstanding motions discussed at a subsequent meeting held as soon as the new chair or secretary can arrange a venue for it and announce it to BB4JC members.
or
1b) There should always be a 2 hour limit to meetings, even if members in attendance do not wish that to be the case.
2) If there are more than 8 motions proposed at any one meeting, the Chair shall arrange motions into related groups. Meetings shall vote as a group which group of motions shall be discussed first.
3) Motions can not be voted upon if less than 5 members are present.
4) "to elect Jeremy Corbyn as Prime Minister and to transform Labour" will be adopted as the subtitle of BB4JC until a better subtitle is agreed.
5) Specialised BB4JC subgroups should be identified and formed so people can pick which kinds of BB4JC meeting they attend.
6) The current watsapp group should be a summary group where meeting information messages are posted to help people avoid high numbers of notifications. Links to more Detailed information will be welcome when that information is posted elsewhere eg loomio, facebook or the BB4JC public forum.
===
B) BB4JC approach to Labour motions.
1) parliament with jeremy simply as an isolated prime minister unable to deliver significant reforms due to pro war and pro austerity opposition from his own party is an insufficient improvement to dire British politics. A significantly improved parliament able to support Jeremys agenda is therefore necessary.
2) Additional labour MPs that the Labour party will need to win at the general election can not be pro war or tacitly pro austerity as antihumanitarian candidates will be broadly detected and opposed by the electorate and demotivate Labour members as they did in the 2010 election and more recently when Labour was effectively expelled from Scotland.
3) Since the NEC has for many years now been selecting pro war and tacitly pro austerity candidates which will alienate people, transforming the labour party is not just a seperate task to getting Jeremy elected but is a necessary part of it. This transformation is especially important and urgent during a period more than 1 year before a general election when substantial change is still possible without affecing an election campaign.
4) Public youtube videos demonstrating rule violations during during Tuesday morning Labour conference processes leading to constitutional changes in labour and the recent rule changes to add unappointed voting members to the supreme NEC clearly show that the labour party is not currently a democratically accountable party. BB4JC is outraged by the effective hijacking of the NEC by acts which violate the rules of the party by the conference chair. We call for urgent action to rectify this elimination of democracy in the party.
5) BB4JC will urgently identify potentially effective strategies for transforming the labour party including making reasonable efforts to contact all NEC members individually for off the record suggestions for responses on how to counter to the hijacking of the NEC. BB4JC will list, prioritised and actuate or materially support them.
6) BB4JC decries any party whose ruling committees are both not entirely elected and whose administrative and political decisions and selections have the effect of undemocratically undermining their elected leader. This is especially important if Labour's antidemocratic processes are used to undermine local democracy to ensure unpopular antiCorbyn MPs or parliamentary candidates maintain their positions despite the opposition of local members and constituents.
7) BB4JC cannot support any party which in the 12 months before a general election attempts to perpetrate any perversion of process or democracy or exclude party members from shortlists to be voted on during the candidate selection processes.
8) BB4JC supports an NEC entirely elected by an one member one vote ballot where a member is defined so as to include union affiliates.
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C) BB4JC approach to momentum motions
1) BB4JC will not become a momentum branch in the next year even if the opportunity is available to it.
2) BB4JC notes with alarm that at this late stage there is no meeting scheduled by momentum Salford to elect delegates to momentum national conference.
3) BB4JC warmly welcomes Manchester and Trafford momentum's initial attempts at full democratic debates and transparent democratic functionality with specific thanks to both previous and current officers.
4) BB4JC praises both online and offline attempts to constuctively debate the progressive democratic accountability structures of momentum.
===
D) BB4JC ON THE NHS CRISIS
1) BB4JC is outraged and distraught at the current obvious and greivous underfunding and attempts to demolish the NHS by the Tories. No A&E department should have to close its doors even once. Twice is egregious. Forty or more times in a month is correctly described as a humanitarian disaster in Britain.
2) BB4JC is outraged and distraught at the current obvious distress in the NHS. We beleive that this is due to underfunding and attempts to demolish the NHS not only by Tories but also as a result of previous PFI initiatives under Blair supported by the majority of Labour MPs and approved by a multiple proposal bundling motion at conference similar to the ones used at conference 2016.
3) To address the attack on the health of the population of this country BB4JC beleives that people should go beyond protest and discussions into direct action including mass civil disobedience against the controlling industries, financial and political powers and processes of the country.