Post by stevedtrm on Mar 24, 2016 14:43:53 GMT
Given the cryptofascists in power, a man who is too far left is an urgent immediate resolution to the murders, tortures, thefts, oppressions, injustices, kidnappings, sanctions, suicides, economically necessitated adult nappies, undermining of wages and working protections and other horrors currently visible as part of government policy. Most politically conscious Brits know this.
For anyone concerned with social justice, that we currently have people a little to the right of Mussolini in power should be the main concern, and that some in labour sympathise with the neo colonial agenda like lucy powell, simon danzcuk, hilary benn et al is a disturbing sign that the tentacles of the corruption are still deep in Labour after the satanic impregnation that was Tony Blair.
A hypothetical person concerned with social justice domestically and internationally will therefore focus on eliminating the corruption within the Labour party to generate a party that is or could be the political standard bearer for social justice given the years we currently have to prepare an election offering in 2019. Otherwise when we get there, the party will still risk being Tory light after a rebellion against Jeremy even if he wins in 2020.
I don’t know who you’d see as a more suitable leader to represent your views, but the second I get away from the pro corbyn group I see people who’d quickly be seduced by the tyrants and their money if allowed to lead the party. Kendall, Benn and Cooper are utter nightmares. Andy Burnham seems to be the least bad of the lot, but on a close inspection he goes full fascist when the magnifying glass isn’t on him, too. If there are reasonable people who find Jeremy too left wing, they need someone uncorruptable who is a reasonable alternative.
Corbyn doesn’t represent all my views either – I have a large capitalist streak in me, so I oppose rent controls for example. But it’s the integrity and humanitarianism that matters. And he has both in spades. He represents a new hope in the face of the evil empire. I’m sure there are a bunch of issues where Jeremy and I disagree, but given it’s a choice between a well intentioned father figure and satan in the form of Hilary Benn, Chukka Umma or Cameron, the core thing here is that Jeremy becomes prime minister to protect the population of this country and the world.
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With regards to MP deselection, this depends on the MP in question. I’d love to hear how right wing MPs are tolerable in a party supposedly of social justice. If it is John Mcdonnel or Dennis Skinner or Diane Abbott or Rebecca Long Bailey any of the other core cobynites, then I definitely don’t want them deselected. And the thing that makes them acceptable to the huge floods of us that joined when Mr Corbyn arrived on the scene is that theyre against all the horrors I listed before. Most of all austerity and war. Which are essentially just euphemisms for international and demostic government theft. If your chosen MP isn’t good on these issues, then why is he or she in a party supposedly concerned with social justice? Those MPs are not the kind of representatives that the more than half of the party I represent won’t feel comfortable getting behind. Why should Corbynites- or anyone else- dedicate themselves to the Labour party if it doesn't do what it claims to do but rather masks the growth of oppressive tyranny as it did under Blair?
So the question, of course, becomes: why do you like your MP? Isn’t there a better person who can do what your MP does for you and support Jeremy’s desperately needed integrity?
Once we’ve had a good thorough chat about what you need from MPs and what I need, my guess is that well be able to come to agreement on something that all of the large factions in labour with the exception of the truly corrupt Blairite core can unite behind. Jeremy is the real deal. He reeks of integirty. It pours from every word he utters. He's real. I bought into him. And I can sell him through sincere explanation of his qualities and record. The pro violence, austerity lite Israeli friendly Blairite right wing of the labour party is not something I, or I believe anyone with any intelligence can sell as anything more than a “least worst evil” ticket. And “least worst evil” isn’t how labour sold itself to me. And not something I or any intelligent person can sell. Social justice is the FIRST quality listed on the values page of the new members pamphlet. And while it truly intends that, Labour is by far the best party to support. Unconditional loyalty is for slaves and serfs and teenage lovers.
If your MP isn't supporting the Corbynite spear head of the movements to correct the injustices and atrocities perpetrated by Tories, Republicans, Democrats, Blairites, neoliberals and financial oppressors, then why are you willing to tolerate him? Does a favour your MP did you in 2004 warrant decades endless loyalty on the big issues? Clearly not.
I don't want to see Corbyn deposed any time before 2025. I and the rest of the huge waves of Corbynites arriving in Labour and in Momentum seek a full 5 year term of Corbyn as Prime Minister. If thats something you (or your MP) can enthusiastically support, I would happily engage a dialogue on what precisely it is that makes you feel he is "too left". and if these objections you have are significant in the face of the horrific ongoing war crimes and austerity cuts we face.
Steven.
For anyone concerned with social justice, that we currently have people a little to the right of Mussolini in power should be the main concern, and that some in labour sympathise with the neo colonial agenda like lucy powell, simon danzcuk, hilary benn et al is a disturbing sign that the tentacles of the corruption are still deep in Labour after the satanic impregnation that was Tony Blair.
A hypothetical person concerned with social justice domestically and internationally will therefore focus on eliminating the corruption within the Labour party to generate a party that is or could be the political standard bearer for social justice given the years we currently have to prepare an election offering in 2019. Otherwise when we get there, the party will still risk being Tory light after a rebellion against Jeremy even if he wins in 2020.
I don’t know who you’d see as a more suitable leader to represent your views, but the second I get away from the pro corbyn group I see people who’d quickly be seduced by the tyrants and their money if allowed to lead the party. Kendall, Benn and Cooper are utter nightmares. Andy Burnham seems to be the least bad of the lot, but on a close inspection he goes full fascist when the magnifying glass isn’t on him, too. If there are reasonable people who find Jeremy too left wing, they need someone uncorruptable who is a reasonable alternative.
Corbyn doesn’t represent all my views either – I have a large capitalist streak in me, so I oppose rent controls for example. But it’s the integrity and humanitarianism that matters. And he has both in spades. He represents a new hope in the face of the evil empire. I’m sure there are a bunch of issues where Jeremy and I disagree, but given it’s a choice between a well intentioned father figure and satan in the form of Hilary Benn, Chukka Umma or Cameron, the core thing here is that Jeremy becomes prime minister to protect the population of this country and the world.
===
With regards to MP deselection, this depends on the MP in question. I’d love to hear how right wing MPs are tolerable in a party supposedly of social justice. If it is John Mcdonnel or Dennis Skinner or Diane Abbott or Rebecca Long Bailey any of the other core cobynites, then I definitely don’t want them deselected. And the thing that makes them acceptable to the huge floods of us that joined when Mr Corbyn arrived on the scene is that theyre against all the horrors I listed before. Most of all austerity and war. Which are essentially just euphemisms for international and demostic government theft. If your chosen MP isn’t good on these issues, then why is he or she in a party supposedly concerned with social justice? Those MPs are not the kind of representatives that the more than half of the party I represent won’t feel comfortable getting behind. Why should Corbynites- or anyone else- dedicate themselves to the Labour party if it doesn't do what it claims to do but rather masks the growth of oppressive tyranny as it did under Blair?
So the question, of course, becomes: why do you like your MP? Isn’t there a better person who can do what your MP does for you and support Jeremy’s desperately needed integrity?
Once we’ve had a good thorough chat about what you need from MPs and what I need, my guess is that well be able to come to agreement on something that all of the large factions in labour with the exception of the truly corrupt Blairite core can unite behind. Jeremy is the real deal. He reeks of integirty. It pours from every word he utters. He's real. I bought into him. And I can sell him through sincere explanation of his qualities and record. The pro violence, austerity lite Israeli friendly Blairite right wing of the labour party is not something I, or I believe anyone with any intelligence can sell as anything more than a “least worst evil” ticket. And “least worst evil” isn’t how labour sold itself to me. And not something I or any intelligent person can sell. Social justice is the FIRST quality listed on the values page of the new members pamphlet. And while it truly intends that, Labour is by far the best party to support. Unconditional loyalty is for slaves and serfs and teenage lovers.
If your MP isn't supporting the Corbynite spear head of the movements to correct the injustices and atrocities perpetrated by Tories, Republicans, Democrats, Blairites, neoliberals and financial oppressors, then why are you willing to tolerate him? Does a favour your MP did you in 2004 warrant decades endless loyalty on the big issues? Clearly not.
I don't want to see Corbyn deposed any time before 2025. I and the rest of the huge waves of Corbynites arriving in Labour and in Momentum seek a full 5 year term of Corbyn as Prime Minister. If thats something you (or your MP) can enthusiastically support, I would happily engage a dialogue on what precisely it is that makes you feel he is "too left". and if these objections you have are significant in the face of the horrific ongoing war crimes and austerity cuts we face.
Steven.